Squinting at the Rude Boys: A Subculture Rarely in Focus

Outside the Portobello branch of Muzik City, early ‘70s
Razor parting in 1962

PAUL (London by way of Blackpool)

Paul Thompson in Hyde Park, 5 July 1969

Matt: Welcome back, Paul. I really like this pic of Brixton lads in ’68 or ’69, but are they rude boys? Skins? Mods? I’ve never actually seen many photos of rude boys, so I have no clear idea what they wore as opposed to skins

Paul Thompson: Don’t worry too much about categorising. All that ‘rude boy’ refers to is Caribbean-British street culture, and you’ll find a lot of rude boy, mod, and skinhead crossover. They all shopped at the same clothes shops, for example, saw each other daily, copied what they liked. These guys are just typical of the time.

The black young men I saw in South-East London in ‘68/’69 all looked something like that. Sharp modern suits when out on the town.

In fact, there isn’t much clobber here that wouldn’t be acceptable for skinheads in the narrower sense, is there?

I think the suit-jacket-and-jeans look is more of a mod thing, as is the suit-and-crew-neck combination. I seem to remember being one of the last people to wear that in South-East London. To my mind, it was something I’d brought down from the North West, where the mod culture was strong. By ’69, if you were wearing jeans, it would be with a Harrington. But in general, yes, there’s no item in that photo that a skinhead wouldn’t wear. A skinhead wouldn’t mind being seen in that mac, though a (cheap) Crombie or a sheepskin would be more typical.

But I remember how, years ago, you mentioned that while black skinheads took their look from white British skins, the rudeboys who hung out at your favourite haunt, the Savoy Rooms, had their own fashions, somewhat different from yours. It sounded like there was a clearer distinction when it came to clothing.

Yes, there were some black skinheads, and they did take their styles from us. The actual rude boys though, while the styles were similar, took their fashion cues from each other. Although the looks were close, the rude boys could be flashier, less orthodox. Bear in mind that by ’69, skinhead fashion had solidified somewhat. It was less mod-like, more stereotypical, with less room for individual flair…

The rude boys could mod it up a bit. So the fashion was ‘somewhat’ different, not vastly different.

Story of a rude boy

Did the rude boys actually call themselves rude boys? There were countless reggae songs about rude boys, rudies etc, so I’m guessing they may have?

I can’t confirm that. Strictly speaking, we were socially separate where I was, so didn’t talk to each other much. We went to some of the same clubs, but basically you hung around with your own mates. The latter might include some black skinheads, and indeed a couple of black skinhead girls. I never saw any trouble between us, but there was not much mixing. If you heard the term ‘rude boys’ it was generally someone talking about the black lads, not them referring to themselves.

With reference to the songs, the term also referred to the behaviour of black youth in Jamaica as well as in London.

Right. In fact, I remember that about 10 years ago in London, younger people often referred to black council estate kids into hip hop as ‘rude boys’. I don’t think they were aware of the ’60s usage of the term, but perhaps there’s some continuity in that its
more of a loose label, like ‘gangster’ or whatever.

Yeah, the term both preceded and outlasted the original skinhead era and fashions. I remember one black skinhead used to regale us with tales of his home life, code-switching between Patois and London English, depicting his mum and dad, who were Windrush generation, speaking Patois… The couple of black girls in our mob were sisters. One was gorgeous and did modelling. Her sister was plainer, chubbier, more butch, and a real hard-nut. She had the nickname ‘Killer’ and she could fight. She could easily beat up guys. She and I seemed to get on well, though, and I never felt threatened by her.

This photo is found in the Wiki entry for ‘rude boy’ and is captioned “Rude boys, Notting Hill, 1974”. What sez you?

[Shrugs] Wouldn’t quarrel. Rasta influence by then, of course.

Yeah, but by the time they wear long dreadlocks, are they still ‘rude boys’? I guess by then the terms Afro boys or just Rastas became more common?

Again, I would say it depended on youth and behaviour, no matter whether they adopted locks. Remember that a lot of kids would still be at school anyway, and maybe not able to go full-on Rasta. The Rasta-as-fashion subject is controversial, of course.

Right. Maybe ‘rude boy’ became more narrowly codified during the 2 Tone era – a bit like skinhead the second time around?

Possibly, but don’t forget that both of these terms were originally applied by others. See, they continued to be applied, so like a mum or dad might simply call any bunch of disreputable teenage boys ‘rude boys’.

Or, to put it in Jamaican vernacular: dem ’ave no manners.

Brixton 1968
Steve going skinhead, 1982/83

Steve: The description ’rude boy’ was just shorthand for a person wearing the 2 Tone look, most widely seen in its essential form of a black Harrington and white socks. So, not dressing like a skinhead – just mixing in some items that had been worn by skinheads.

I had a black Harrington, white socks, Sta-Prest, Levis, Fred Perry, 6 hole DMs (mostly got by my mum from a catalogue), mixed in with things like an Adidas 3-stripe t-shirt and steel toe cap work shoes from my dad. But this wasn’t some plan to become a skinhead by stealth, it was just the trend.

To put this all in its proper context, when punk emerged in 1976, it was very easy for us 13-year-olds to adopt a look simply by tousling our school uniforms a bit more than usual. Over time, our generational rejection of the hideous ’70s centre-parting and flares began to evolve into a shorter-hair, narrower-trousers look that, in hindsight, laid the groundwork for both a mod revival on one hand and a skinhead revival on the other. Bridging these was the 2 Tone look, neither one nor the other, and nothing to do with Jamaican rude boys. It was one of those things that came and went without leaving much of a legacy.

Were ‘rude boys’ in Coventry mostly white, mostly black, or both?

Criminal Class live in Coventry, 1979

There were not many blacks around, just one bloke in my council estate of several thousand, and those that were around were from one small area of the city.

Today you often get cosplay skins and older blokes at ska gigs who wear black-and-white checked ties or whatever, which looks super tacky. Was there any such thing back then? Or just generally, non-skinhead fashions that were 2 Tone-inspired?

I can’t think of anything that was specifically 2 Tone. The suit look was mod, the casual look was skinhead – but there were little touches, like band names in red iron-on letters on the back of a black Harrington, a service available at the market stall you got your black Harrington from. Some girls wore short dresses divided into four black-and-white quadrants, but I don’t recall any black-and-white shoes or anything else that was chequered.  I didn’t see hats very much or even at all, porkpie or otherwise. The modern people seem to favour some kind of ‘Popeye Doyle’ hat I never saw at the time.

Actually I recall Coventry skinheads did the lettering on the backs of their Harrington too – you once showed me pics of a 1979 Criminal Class gig.

Those Criminal Class at the Zodiac pics must be the iron-on red letters I mentioned even though they look white.

This picture is captioned ‘Rock Against Racism gig, London 1979’. Are these 2 Tone ‘rude boys’?

Left is the basic look I was talking about – he could be wearing anything under the Harrington. Right is more developed. Centre is hard to say but could be just one of those semi-rastafarian types that were the late 70s to early 80s equivalent of the Jamaican rude boy. Like the bloke in the middle below, they could be wearing just about anything.

How would you sum up the period?

All in all, it was a great time to be 16 and hearing ‘On My Radio’ on the radio. The difficult second albums were another matter, though, and 2 Tone was dead and gone by 1982. I never even went to see Dance Craze, and I don’t think people who were ‘rude boys’ back then even think that much about it now.

Did you get to read Paul Burnley’s recently published autobiography? Seems he also classed himself as a rude boy back in 2 Tone days, before becoming a nazi skinhead…

I read your article but wouldn’t bother reading the book…

2 Tone fans in Coventry, 1980. Photo by Toni Tye

5 thoughts on “Squinting at the Rude Boys: A Subculture Rarely in Focus

  1. Hello Matt, being 16 in 1979 and from Coventry, me and my best mate used to be rude boys mark 3 crops, crombies, Ben Shermans, tonic trousers, and brogues/loafers and 8 hole cherry red docs, both our 2 older brothers were original skins then suede heads so used to say we used to wear the same clothes back in the day, their was a lot of rude boys who wore the clothes but had long hair, I would say by late 1980 in Coventry the new skinhead look dominated and rudeboy was over.

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  2. Excellent roundup, here. BoxcutterBrigade, here. A few thoughts.

    1. Rude Boy has always been a counter-culture and not a subculture. Rude Boys in both Jamaica and in England were a scorned, distrusted class (as you correctly call out in regards to the music), but at a certain point, being a rude youth became a badge of courage / defiance, a culture of resistance onto itself. That’s when you start to see “Rudie don’t fear” and other pro-rude, proud rude tunes. And by the time Rhygin comes along, it’s a legitimate mentality.
    2. It will always be difficult to find photos of “rude boys” because, by the nature of them being a counter-culture, their looks changed frequently. Rude Boys have much in common with Casuals in this regard. The rudie wanted to stay a step ahead of Babylon and, as such, resisted easy codification/classification. As a result, you’ll find photos of black youth who are considered “rude” but who look absolutely nothing like the “rude” youth of old. This is, of course, nothing like Skinheads who cleave to traditions.
    3. Rude Boys have always been the arbiters of the new and the next. They are always tuned in to the new sounds, new brands, etc.
    4. The current “Roadman” is the logical offspring of the Rude Boy (Rude -> Road, Boy -> Man). It would be a safe bet to say that some of today’s Roadmen are the literal grandson’s of yesterday’s Rude Boys.
    5. A few really useful (and fun) reads that deal with Rude youth: “Rude Boys” by Gaylord Dold, “Brother Man” by Roger Mais, “The Hills Were Joyful Together” by Roger Mais, “Clarks in Jamaica” by Al Fingers.
    6. My book “Jackpot: The Dread Skinhead” features a prominent character named Brixton who typifies some of what’s described above. That part of the book is based on a real life Rude Boy (black, English, Windrush offspring) with whom I was friends in the 80s.

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    • Many thanks for your comment, mate. I was actually going to make an aside on ‘roadmen’, even just in brackets, but I edited it out as I decided I didn’t really know what I was talking about.

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